How's this for irony?-- " A husband should love his wife just as he loves himself. He should treat her the way Jesus treats his followers. ( Ephesians 5:25 , 28, 29 ) He should never hit his wife or mistreat her in any way. Rather, he should show her honor and respect.— Colossians 3:19 ; 1 Peter3:7 . " http://www.watchtower.org/e/rq/article_08.htm
The Quiet One
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"Feeling sorry for yourself" about being hit by your husband is not Christian 2/15/12 WT Page 25 P 12
by yourmomma inhave anyone of you read, the absolutly jaw dropping paragraph in this article about a women who was hit by her husband?
its in page 25 of the 2/15/12 wt study edition (i read the dumbed down version).. .
if there was any question, that the watchtowers stance is for wives to simply take it when their husbands abuse them, this makes it crystal clear.. who the hell is scanning these things before they go to print?
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Hi soft+gentle, glad to see you on another of my threads. Thanks for stating your view so clearly, dimwits like me have trouble comprehending things otherwise. The black+white, either the whole Bible is inspired and every word is Gods or it's not, jw view is hard to change. All my life I've had scriptures quoted at me telling me what to do, and if I'm not doing every single thing 'right' by what the Wt says, I'm 'disobeying Jehovah'.. Missing an assembly is 'forsaking gathering' etc. , even if you're ill! Okay, rant over. Thanks guys/gals :)
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He spoke to Adam, if you believe we all came from 2 people..
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In the LAST DAYS (mockers, scoffers) ridiculers will come saying:
by Terry in(2 peter 3:1-13) ... niv....."in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.they will say, where is this coming he promised?
ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.
waaaaay back when these words were written an embarassing awareness of delay was in the air among christians.. shortly after jesus was executed the story was circulated that he arose from the dead and was witnessed by a great many people.. but, jesus (it was said) went up to his father in heaven and would soon return.. time passed.. more time passed.. ....and still more time passed without jesus coming back.. the idea that deliverance was "near" began to make believers squirm with discomfort.. instead of standing around waiting, enduring persecution and praying constantly for reward....a new task emerged for christians to take.
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Lars said: "Christ arrived in 1992 and Paul and John and Jesus' mother are still very much alive. I've seen and/or met them in my capacity as a special prophets." Does Paul still have a problem with women, or has he finally got married? I'm sure she won't mind the slight age difference. After all, once you pass 1,000 , the age gap seems to get smaller, doesn't it? “Taking crazy things seriously is a serious waste of time.” Haruki Murakami , Kafka on theShore
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How else could you come to God? Did He speak to you?
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In the LAST DAYS (mockers, scoffers) ridiculers will come saying:
by Terry in(2 peter 3:1-13) ... niv....."in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.they will say, where is this coming he promised?
ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.
waaaaay back when these words were written an embarassing awareness of delay was in the air among christians.. shortly after jesus was executed the story was circulated that he arose from the dead and was witnessed by a great many people.. but, jesus (it was said) went up to his father in heaven and would soon return.. time passed.. more time passed.. ....and still more time passed without jesus coming back.. the idea that deliverance was "near" began to make believers squirm with discomfort.. instead of standing around waiting, enduring persecution and praying constantly for reward....a new task emerged for christians to take.
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The Josephus quotes were just possible fulfillments of the 'sign in the sky', and they, interestingly, confirm other physical signs, such as an earthquake.. You had claimed that as nobody had seen the sign of the Jesus, there must be a Second Coming.. Johnathan said:"Not at all. The Son of Man returnsafter the Great Tribulation, but the Great Tribulation is a future event. Verses 29, 30 .." Immediately after the distress (Great Tribulation) of those days "'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' " At that time the sign ofthe Son of Man will appear in thesky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory." "Those days" refer to the future. The Jews did not see the Son of Man coming in 70 A.D. ".. The stars falling from the sky does not have to be literal if you read any decent Bible commentary, and here's another explanation of what the sign of the Son of Man could have meant.. "To understand what this sign was, we first need to have a correct translation. The NIV really adds to the confusion, it reads,"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky." A word-for-word rendering from the Greek reads: "And then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven." Notice carefully that the location is heaven, not the sky; and it is not the sign that is in heaven, but the Son of Man who is in heaven. The point is this: The destruction of Jerusalem and the Jewish temple was the sign that the Son of Man was in heaven. J. Marcellus Kik said, "A sign was not to appear in the heavens, but the destruction of Jerusalem was to indicate the rule of the Son of man in heaven." The wording of this passage refers us back to the expression, "The Son of Man," found in Daniel 7:13, which Jesus used concerning Himself when referring to His coming (Matthew 24:27). The judgment of Jerusalem was a sign that the Son of Man was in heaven in fulfillment of Daniel 7:13-14. Here we see Jesus, the Son of Man, coming to the Ancient of days and receiving His everlasting kingdom. This prophecy was fulfilled at the Ascension (Acts 2:30-36). The kingdom received from the Ancient of days is no other than the kingdom symbolized by the stone cut out of the mountain (Daniel 2:34-35):The kingdom was given to Christ at His ascension, and this was made manifest to all Israel in the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. Jerusalem's destruction was a sign that Jesus Christ was the Messiah of God. In Matthew 26:63-64, Caiaphas, the high priest, asks Jesus if he is the Son of God, the Messiah. Notice the similarities between Jesus' answer to Caiaphas and what he said in our text. Matthew 24:30 (NKJV) "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all thetribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." Jesus told Caiaphas, "You will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power." He said to His disciples, "They would see the sign that the son of man was in heaven." He told Caiaphas, "You will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven." He told His disciples, "They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." It is obviously the same event in both passages. Notice Caiaphas' response to Jesus' statement (Matthew 26:65). What did Jesus say that was blasphemy? Caiaphas understood that Jesus was claiming to be the Messiah. In order to understand what Jesus is saying, we need to understand the idea that is behind "coming in the clouds." God's "coming on the clouds of heaven" is a symbolic way of speaking of His presence, judgment and salvation. All through the Old Testament God was coming "on clouds," in salvation of His people and judgment of His enemies. Coming on the clouds indicates His Presence: Exodus 16:10; 19:9; 34:5, Leviticus 16:2, Numbers 11:25. Salvation: In Psalms 18:9-12, David speaks of his deliverance from Saul using apocalyptic language. Judgment: The idea of God's coming in the clouds is also associated with His judgment of his enemies (Isaiah 19:1). We know from chapter 20 that God used the Assyrians as instruments of His wrath on Egypt, yet it says, "The LORD rides on a swift cloud..., Egypt will totter at His presence." God came to Egypt in judgment in 480BC. His presence was made known injudgment. But it was the Assyrians who were literally present. Similar language is used of Nineveh's fall (Nahum 1:3, 5-6):We know that Nineveh was destroyed, not by a literal coming of God out of heaven on the clouds, but by the invading armies of the Chaldeans and Medes in 612 BC."-- At least this explanation makes sense with language used elsewhere in the Bible, and that the apostles would likely have understood.And yes, Cofty, I do understand it.. Here's the link... http://ecclesia.org/truth/mat07.html
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Psac -- Thanks for all the replies (and cofty too).. I think I finally understand your position now. You don't rely on the Bible in any way, you believe the Holy Spirit will guide you to what is true and what isn't, even within a book of the Bible. Is that right? And would you have believed in the same God without having read the Gospels?
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Can God or the supernatural really be defined in a useful way?
by mankkeli in1) no, this is why the non-existance of god is unproveable.
2) yes, i'll supply a definition.
3) maybe, i think its possible but i don't know any reasonable definition.
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First you would have to define what you mean by 'useful'. Useful to who and in what sense?
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In the LAST DAYS (mockers, scoffers) ridiculers will come saying:
by Terry in(2 peter 3:1-13) ... niv....."in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.they will say, where is this coming he promised?
ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.
waaaaay back when these words were written an embarassing awareness of delay was in the air among christians.. shortly after jesus was executed the story was circulated that he arose from the dead and was witnessed by a great many people.. but, jesus (it was said) went up to his father in heaven and would soon return.. time passed.. more time passed.. ....and still more time passed without jesus coming back.. the idea that deliverance was "near" began to make believers squirm with discomfort.. instead of standing around waiting, enduring persecution and praying constantly for reward....a new task emerged for christians to take.
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Cofty said: "But even in Acts and the epistlesnowhere is there even the slightest clue that anybody expected Jesus' return to be in afuture generation." -- I agree. Here are some examples.. " Matt. 16:27, 28, For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to His deeds. "Truly I say to you, there are some who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." Matt.24:34 "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Rom. 13:12, “ The night is nearly over; the day is almost here.” Rom. 16:20, “The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.” I Cor. 7:29 and 31, “The time is short. This world in its present form is passing away.” I Cor. 10:11, “These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.” I Tim. 6:14, “Keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ. ” Hebrews 10:37, “In just a very little while, He who is coming will come and will not delay.” James 5:7, “Be patient until the Lord’s coming.” James 5:8, “The Lord’s coming is near.” James 5:9, “The judge is standingat the door.” I Peter 4:7, “The endof all things has drawn near.” I John 2:18, "Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. Rev. 22:6, 7, "And he said to me, "These words are faithful and true"; ... the things which must soon take place. "And behold, I am coming quickly.... Rev. 22:10, 12, And he said to me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near."Behold, I am coming quickly, andMy reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. Rev. 22:20, He who testifies to these things says,"Yes, I am coming quickly," Amen.Come, Lord Jesus. " http://www.preterist.org/preteristQA.asp